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    Air Compressor Recommendations

    Posted by Jeff on Tuesday, May 05, 2009 @ 05:31 AM  

    As the extent of vehicle-based projects and maintenance goes up, I'm giving serious consideration to purchasing an air compressor for the garage. I've spent several days now researching the options available and I've narrowed my selection down to two possible choices (model numbers below). But before I make the final plunge, I'm wondering if anyone has any other recommendations based on their own experiences. The only stipulation I have is that I'm looking for an oil-lubricated, belt-driven compressor.

    • Ingersoll Rand SS3F2-GM
    • Ingersoll Rand P1.5IU-A9

    I plan to use this primarily for installing and removing car parts so the impact wrench will be getting the most use. I don't currently have a need for the higher demand tools (CFM-wise) but I'd like to get something that will support future needs as well. The garage has a few 110 outlets (I think it's a 15A circuit) but no 220. Not even sure if a 15A circuit with lights and potential use of other tools simultaneously would be enough to support a compressor. May need to add a new circuit. Price is also a consideration since I'm not looking to break the bank. But I don't mind spending a little more up front to ensure I'm getting something that will last. Would also prefer something portable but that's not a requirement.

    Recommendations? Are there better more reliable brands than Ingersoll Rand?

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    Reply by Jeff on May 07, 2009 @ 04:36 AM

    Bump for feedback... Happy


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    Reply by Jeff on May 09, 2009 @ 04:34 PM

    Had an external recommendation for Quincy brand air compressors. Anyone know anything about them? Do they make a 110v model that can get close to 10CFM?

    I realize things are pretty busy right now, but I'm looking at extending my occupation of the garage until I get something that can break these bolts loose.

    Any help? Sad


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    Reply by Dave on May 10, 2009 @ 02:06 PM
    (A reply to comment #2)

    A breaker bar with a 10-foot pipe should take care of anything you will find on a car.

    Dave


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    Reply by Jeff on May 10, 2009 @ 04:26 PM
    (A reply to comment #3)

    If the bolt was remotely accessible, I completely agree. My trouble is that the bolt is housed in a location that makes access very difficult. Even with the rear tire off, it still sits inward a good 16"-18", residing between the top of the gas tank and the underbelly of the body itself. The opposing nut is even more inaccessible. I'll try and take some pictures and upload them to give you a better idea. The FJ has been stuck in the garage for almost a month now because I only have time during the weekends to do the upgrades. This particular upgrade was obviously a bit more involved with all the front-end work, but the rear links should have been one of the easiest upgrades to do.

    I certainly enjoy the process of learning something new, but my frustration level with the number of hiccups I've hit on this latest venture is starting to make me remember why I started taking my vehicle to a shop for work like this. For the amount of time, money and energy I've put into this, I could have had the entire upgrade done in a day at a local shop. I haven't given up though because in my case it often comes down to not having the correct tool for the job. With an actual air wrench that can generate 500-700 ft pounds of torque, I have a feeling this bolt will finally meet its match.

    Pictures of the offending bolt


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    Reply by Dave on May 11, 2009 @ 07:40 AM
    (A reply to comment #4)

    If all else fails, there's always the torch option.

    Dave


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    Reply by Jeff on May 11, 2009 @ 08:45 AM
    (A reply to comment #5)

    Did I mention that the bolt resides directly above the gas tank? WorriedNervous


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    Reply by Grateful on May 11, 2009 @ 01:22 PM
    (A reply to comment #6)

    Sometimes being an insurance agent is not helpful to my peace of mind!


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    Reply by Dave on May 11, 2009 @ 06:31 PM
    (A reply to comment #6)

    What, are you trying to live forever?

    Dave


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    Reply by Richard on May 11, 2009 @ 09:45 PM
    (A reply to comment #4)

    To get those kind of torque numbers I think you will be looking at a 1" air wrench similar to what they use for changing truck tires. That seems like overkill for auto bolts. You didn't say what socket size you where using. I'm not sure you can get a small enough socket for a 1' gun. How are you going to anchor the wrench on the other end?

    I had a portable Sears compressor which I gave to Grandpa. It will run on a 20 amp 115v plug but anything larger needs 220v. I will check on the specs tomorrow. Compressors have a very high starting current. It is not so much the hp, but the tank size that is important for your application. If it will store enough air you don't need a lot of hp. My shop compressor is 5hp 220v with an 80 gal tank.


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    Reply by Jeff on May 12, 2009 @ 02:26 AM
    (A reply to comment #9)

    The electric impact wrench is a 1/2" model, as is the used air wrench I just picked up from a friend (no air to drive it with though). From what I understand, finding an air wrench that puts out 500-600CFM is not all that unusual but I haven't really looked into it yet. As far as anchoring the right-angle of the wrench, I really can't. That's part of what makes it difficult.

    The same guy that sold me all the tools had an older Craftsman compressor that ran on 110 and was rated at 9CFM. But I can't find anything like that nowadays. All the 110 models seem to cap at 5.5-6CFM. With the start-up issue you mentioned, do you think I'll have any problems running a 110 compressor on the current garage circuit? I think it's powering two light bulbs, door opener, and two plug outlets (one of which has the fridge and freezer on it). I'm not even sure how to determine the current load vs the supported load to be honest. I don't want to be tripping breakers all the time though. If I have to wire in a new circuit then I might as well go with a 220 model.

    A friend at work suggested that I remove the driver's side shock to get better access. I still don't know if I could get direct access but it might help. Don't know much about shocks though. Is it a simple matter of unbolting it or are they highly compressed as well?

    Very interested in the specs on your compressor, cfm, tank size, model number, etc. I'd like to get something in place soon so I don't have to go another month without a vehicle. Sad

    Thanks for the help everyone!


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    Reply by Jeff on May 12, 2009 @ 02:40 PM

    Well after almost two weeks of research, I finally took the plunge. As much as I wanted a portable 110v unit, the CFM rating just wasn't where I wanted it to be. So I opted for a larger stationery unit instead. I was going to go with a 60 gallon Ingersoll-Rand model but I found a Craftsman model that was actually cheaper and had better features. I'm hoping that after all my research I made the right choice. Craftsman has always been a name you could trust in the past so hopefully this compressor will be no different. It should be here some time on Saturday.

    So now comes yet another project... I need to run power to support this monster. I'm no electrician but I can't imagine it being all that difficult to add a breaker and wire up a 240v electrical connection. Can it? Watts = Amps x Volts, right?

    ConfusedLight Bulb

    So I need to find out what breaker and wire size to use. It's a 240v model but I don't know the amps or watts yet. What's an average wattage rating for a large compressor? From what I understand you're supposed to allow for a slightly larger breaker because of the surge when it starts up. I'm guessing maybe a 40A would do but I really don't know. Is 10GA wire large enough for this type of draw? Do I need a special type of wire for a project like this?

    Historically, am I just confused or didn't the ratings used to be 110/220/440v? Now I see 115v or 120v and 230v or 240v everywhere. Is this something that changed since I was a kid? Are the specs based on a voltage range now?


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    Reply by Jeff on May 12, 2009 @ 06:14 PM

    I'm now reading up on the compressors themselves, seeing indications of even more maintenance involved. I understand the air tools require oil for lubrication but I'm getting the impression that there's more to maintaining a compressor than just that. Condensation valves, air filters, special fittings, oil filters, in-line lubricators, oh my! HypnotizedSillySurprised

    Anyone have any good solid tips for keeping an oil-lubed compressor in tip-top condition? Assuming it's shipping fluid free, what's required to get it up and running (besides the power source)? Just want to make sure I don't miss anything and accidentally damage parts.

    This is just a short, quick list of recommendations I found:

    • Daily Maintenance: You should drain moisture from your air compressor's tanks on a daily basis. Bleed most of the air pressure from the tanks before opening the drain valves, allowing all moisture to drain from the tanks.
    • Weekly Maintenance: Clean the air intake vents, and remove any obstructions. If your air compressor utilizes an air filter, clean the air filter weekly, and replace when necessary.
    • Monthly Maintenance: Check the operation of the safety release valve. It should open and relieve air pressure and re-seat properly when closed with no leaks. Also check your electrical cords and hoses for any damage. Do not use your compressor if your electrical cord is damaged.
    • Bi-Yearly Maintenance: Check all gauges for correct readings and all fittings for any leaks. Tighten connectors if needed.

    Does anyone have anything to add to the above items?


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    Reply by Grateful on May 12, 2009 @ 07:41 PM
    (A reply to comment #12)

    Yeah...this seems like a lot of work...all the way around! :)


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    Reply by Richard on May 12, 2009 @ 09:58 PM
    (A reply to comment #12)

    The main thing to add is a bigger garage. As far as maintenance goes its pretty minimal. The main thing is to drain the water regularly. The rest is based on full time use like a paint and body shop. Wire size is based on amps.

    #14 gauge = 15amp
    #12 =20amp
    #10 =30 amp
    # 8 =40-50 don't remember for sure.

    This assumes copper not aluminum wire. how many hp is the motor? I will ck my breaker to compare. It does need to be double pole for 220v and the wire should be 3 wire romex with a ground. Get the same brand of breaker that you currently use.
    I used a piece of steel pipe coming out of the compressor to attach my hoses. I ran it out and then vertical about 3-4 ft with a drain valve at the bottom for condensation. You didn't say but I assume this is a 2 stage compressor with a vertical tank??


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    Reply by Jeff on May 13, 2009 @ 03:19 AM
    (A reply to comment #14)

    Thanks, Dad. I copied the specs below directly from Sears' web site:

    This 80 gal. vertical air compressor from Craftsman Professional features a two-stage, oil-lubricated twin-V cast iron pump for long life and durability. Setting it apart, the pump contains automotive-style pistons, rings, connecting rods and sight glass. No magnetic starter required. Supports heavy-duty, continuous multi-tool usage.

    • 5.4 running hp
    • 175 PSI max pressure for longer tool run-time
    • 89 dAB
    • 240-volt only motor with manual thermal overload protection

    My research indicated that a two-stage compressor was a better buy in the long run because it allows for greater air compression. I didn't necessarily need an 80 gallon tank, but the only other size offered was a 60 gallon single stage.

    So the questions never seem to end... sorry.

    1. Doesn't the magnetic starter prevent current overload? Why does this particular design not require it?
    2. Why would they design a compressor with a MANUAL thermal overload switch? Wouldn't automatic make more sense?
    3. How do I go about securing the base of this thing? I recall they make concrete nails but I will need something much larger to secure 400+ lbs.
    4. Considering I want to run this to the front of the garage (25-30 feet from breaker panel), would I need to upgrade the wire gauge or install a separate breaker switch local to the compressor itself?
    5. Is copper wire preferable to aluminum?
    6. When you say double pole are you referring to two breakers tied together in the panel? So for a 40 amp circuit would this be two 20 amp breakers tied together with a single collar? How does the 3-wire with a ground tie into what is effectively two breakers?

    Sorry for all the dumb questions. Just trying to learn as much as I can about this stuff. I'll be doing some more reading later today to see if I can answer some of my own questions.


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    Reply by Richard on May 13, 2009 @ 04:20 PM
    (A reply to comment #15)

    1. A magnetic starter provides the relay contacts to start and stop the motor. They are probably saying you don't need to buy a separate starter. Sometimes there is an overload built in to the starter. The starter will be activated by the hi and lo pressure switch if you leave the breaker on full time. I only start my compressor when I need to as all of thew air lines leak to some degree and I don't use it that often.
    2. The manual overload may be a manual reset button.

    3. Mine is still sitting on the original pallet. Unless yours vibrates a lot it shouldn't be a problem. A rubber mat under the legs would also work.

    4 , 5 & 6 Copper is a better conductor. I am using a 40 amp double pole breaker and about 50 ft of wire. A double pole is one 220v 40 amp breaker with has connections for 2 hot wires. It takes 110v from both sides of your panel which are 180 degrees out of phase to make up 220v. Your supply wire will have a red, and a black which are both hot to the breaker. The white goes to neutral and the ground to the ground connection in your power box.

    You can probably call an electric supply house for the wire size or maybe Google for a sizing chart. The biggest drawback for this operation is somebody will be parking outside and it ain't going to be MamaThinking


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    Reply by Jeff on May 14, 2009 @ 01:47 AM
    (A reply to comment #16)

    Okay, did a little more reading last night. Think I'm fairly clear on the single pole vs double pole breakers now. Found a really great site that has instructions for a lot of different household projects. It's HammerZone.com. They even had articles for adding a circuit breaker and adding a ball valve to your compressor which should prove handy for this project.

    So I don't need to use some sort of concrete lag bolt to hold the compressor down? I realize it's over 400 lbs but it's also vertical and most likely vibrates quite a bit. But I guess a thick rubber mat should reduce the vibrations and keep it from sliding around.

    Parking outside? The compressor should stand immediately inside the main door on the left-hand side of the garage (currently occupied by a stack of tires if you recall). Once installed it will be completely out of the way so no problems with parking. There IS, however, another large object that currently occupies center stage and prevents double occupancy. But I'm assuming the new compressor will allow me to finally break the bolt loose and put Humpty FJ back together again.


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    Reply by Jeff on May 17, 2009 @ 04:33 AM

    Okay, compressor was delivered yesterday and now resides on a small pallet in the corner of the garage. After yet another return trip to the hardware store, I managed to procure the correct breaker type and other paraphernalia. The wire runs through the garage wall into the basement and is now wired into the breaker panel. Now I need to wire up the other end.

    The question is, do you normally run the wire directly to the compressor or do you install a junction box with a 240v plug and then wire a pigtail cord to the compressor itself? It's cheaper and easier to go the first route but I didn't know if there might be a reason for taking the latter route instead.

    As I understand it, a small amount of oil from the compressor normally travels through the air hose and is designed to lubricate the tools you're using. But I've also seen recommendations against this approach, recommending that you install some sort of filter at the compressor end. At that point, all your air tools need to be lubricated by hand. Any recommendations for which approach works best?


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    Reply by Grateful on May 17, 2009 @ 05:15 AM
    (A reply to comment #18)

    Nope. Big Grin


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    Reply by Jeff on May 17, 2009 @ 07:42 AM
    (A reply to comment #19)

    Gee, thanks for the assistance, Number 19. Sigh

    Another quick question on wiring... I ended up with 8/2 romex wire since there was no neutral on the compressor end. Inside the compressor switch (see pic below) I noticed it had what appeared to be a polarity setting, where the one side is positive and the other negative. I have two hots and a ground coming from the breaker. Does it make any difference which hot wire is attached to which terminal? Does the phase of the particular breaker make a difference in this regard?

    Also note the use of tabs when they wired the motor to the switch. Judging from the amount of space under the line set screws, I don't think there's enough room to shove 8 gauge wire in there. Will any type of electrical crimp/solder on tab work or do I need a particular type to work with 240v 8 gauge wire?

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    Reply by Jeff on May 17, 2009 @ 11:06 AM

    I just noticed the label on the side of the compressor indicates it's 24A. I used a 40A double-pole breaker with 8 gauge wire. Larger wire shouldn't hurt anything, but should I replace the 40A breaker with a 30A instead?
    IMG_1591


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    Reply by Richard on May 18, 2009 @ 08:45 PM
    (A reply to comment #21)

    For small tools I normally just add a few drops of air tool oil to the inlet before hooking up the hose. There are inline oilers that can attach to the tool which you fill with oil for extended use.

    No plug needed unless you want to move it around.

    Any tabs for 8g crimped or soldered will do.

    You will need the 40 amp breaker due to starting load.

    The tag on the motor should show the amp draw during use.

    I'm not sure about the neutral vs grnd.

    Sorry to be slow I don't always get to the blogs every day.


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    Reply by Jeff on May 19, 2009 @ 02:30 AM
    (A reply to comment #22)

    No problem on timing, any response is helpful, so thanks. I only have two things left on my list:

    1. I need to find an adapter to go from the 3/4" valve outlet to either a 3/8" or 1/4" (all NPT ID measurements). Haven't found anything yet that will do the trick. Without this adapter, I can't hook anything up to it so the compressor is useless.
    2. I'm trying to find a good quality air pressure regulator w/ gauge from 0-175psi minimum. Found a Craftsman model but it appears to be very low quality as I can't even get the gauge to properly seat in the provided threads.

    It's difficult for me to believe that they manufacture these things without some sort of start-up kit. I'm getting exceedingly irritated at having to hunt down all the various parts and pieces just to get it up and running. Frustrated Thanks for all your help!


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    Reply by Grateful on May 19, 2009 @ 05:53 AM
    (A reply to comment #23)

    Any response is helpful? Now, now...that is not exactly true...I responded, but managed to be completely unhelpful. Big Grin


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    Reply by Jeff on May 19, 2009 @ 06:31 AM
    (A reply to comment #24)

    True. Twice even. Big Grin


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    Reply by Richard on May 19, 2009 @ 08:38 AM
    (A reply to comment #23)

    Now I'm confused. Surely it comes with a pressure regulator. Normally the pressure regulator is what activates the magnetic starter so when the pressure reaches the max it shuts off and comes back on at the low pressure setting.

    There are regulators that you can add to reduce the pressure for certain applications. Mine came with a tank pressure gauge and the pressure regulator is some what adjustable but not suitable to reduce to 40 lb like for a paint sprayer. Painting is one of those applications where you don't want oil or water in the line and should have a filter but for running air tools a filter is not necessary.

    Use a 3/4 to 3/8 or 1/4 bushing if the outlet is female thread or a bell adapter if the outlet is male thread to reduce down for your hose connection. I would suggest a snap on type hose connection for easy disconnect. Most auto supply houses will carry air tools and supplies.


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    Reply by Jeff on May 19, 2009 @ 12:57 PM
    (A reply to comment #26)

    Sorry, regulator in this case, referring a device used to adjust the outlet pressure. Since the bulk of the hand tools require 90psi, I need a way to reduce the pressure to prevent damage to the tools.


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    Reply by Grateful on May 19, 2009 @ 07:12 PM
    (A reply to comment #27)

    Was this post removed because it consisted of a series of interesting four letter words? Eyelashes


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    Reply by Jeff on May 20, 2009 @ 01:49 AM
    (A reply to comment #28)

    No, that's just what it says when an entry is in draft or discard status, or has been deleted. I started typing something yesterday and forgot to finish it until this morning.



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